Tuesday, 7 June 2016

LifeSite Is Just Embarrassing Itself: Fetal Pain Redux

They really got nuthin'.

Look at this from yesterday's LieShite.

The Journal of the American Medical Association [JAMA] is facing calls to retract a 2005 study that pro-lifers have labeled a “propaganda tool” for abortion activists.
In 2016, fetus freaks are attacking a study from 2005 still deployed to refute the BAD (biased, agenda-driven) science used to pass "fetal pain" laws, lowering abortion term limits and/or imposing idiotic protocols on providers, as recently in Utah.

What do the fetus freaks offer in support of their contention that fetuses do too feel pain?

Dr. Steven Zielinski, an internal medicine physician from Oregon, is one of the leading researchers into fetal pain. He first published reports in the 1980s to validate research showing evidence for unborn pain.

He has testified before Congress in the past that an unborn child could feel pain at “eight-and-a-half weeks and possibly earlier” and that a baby before birth “under the right circumstances, is capable of crying.”

That seemed eerily familiar. Look what I found from 2010, also at LieShite.
Dr. Steven Zielinski, an internal medicine physician from Oregon, is one of the leading researchers into the concept of fetal pain and published the first reports in the 1980s to validate research show [sic] evidence for it.

He has testified before Congress that an unborn child could feel pain at "eight-and-a-half weeks and possibly earlier" and that a baby before birth "under the right circumstances, is capable of crying."

More bells started ringing in my old brain. Yes! I had trashed Dr. Zielinksi's rep here in 2012.

But, maybe the doc has been up to more recent stuff. After all, I can find no reference to him beyond 1986, thirty years ago.

I googled "Steven Zielinski Oregon fetal pain" and got this.

Amusingly, DJ!'s 2012 trashing is eighth on the first page in an otherwise exclusive club of fetus fetishist sites. All of which refer to him as "one of the leading researchers into fetal pain."

Let's consult some real scientists, shall we? Here's Live Science, on May 17, 2016, speaking with "a leading expert on fetal pain," Dr. Anne Davis, OB/GYN and associate professor at Columbia University Medical Center, who appears a tad more impressive than the elusive Dr. Zielinski.

She says the 2005 JAMA study, now under SHRIEEK attack from the freaks, is still valid. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) has also recently reaffirmed the study, saying "no research has contradicted its findings."

No new research. Same old bullshit references. Almost identical wording. Their "leading researcher into fetal pain" still MIA after thirty years.

They got nuthin'. But as long as they keep trotting this crap out, I'll be watching.

Previous DJ! posts on "fetal pain" and BAD science.


Anonymous said...

From the lieshit news site, "According to his fact checking report, several of the study’s authors have close ties to the abortion industry, one having worked for the radical pro-abortion group NARAL and another who worked in an abortion facility. Both the New York Times (“Study Authors Didn’t Report Abortion Ties”)"

Oh yeah? KIND of like the authors did for this paper: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23191936.

Those authors failed to disclose their BIG conflict of interest.

The authors for the above paper are listed as 'Pro-
life' doctors on the LiveAction website.

Yet they fail to disclose any ties to the Pro-life movement in their paper.

What is most alarmingly is now pro-life groups want to use this paper as solid evidence to put the 'abortion reversal protocol' into healthcare law.

I have reported this to SAGE JOURNALS. I have yet to receive a reply.

fern hill said...

Anonymous's link.

Good for you for reporting it.

The anti's have been at this BAD science shtick for quite a while now. We here at DJ!, though we're not scientists, try to keep up with their unending bullshit.

Anonymous said...

Well, these fetus freaks have entered the field of research, and while I do not use fetal tissue in my research, I am still a researcher.

I wish researchers had a voice in the mess the fetus freaks have created with their manipulative videos.

The whole 'profiting' part they found is a grey area. The law allows payments to be made to abortion facilities who have provided fetal tissue for research. These payments are intended to cover the costs to the abortion facility for providing access to the procurement agency, including staff time in requesting consent and retrieving the tissue, and use of the clinic space by employees of the procurement agency. So technically, planned parenthood can accept fees for making the tissue available AND allowing the procurement agency to use the clinic space.

The other thing is the whole HIPAA and release of confidential information for research purposes. Research has it's own conditions...and they'd know that if they actually did their research. OR allowed researchers to submit their REB approvals...which outline all of the stipulations.

And now they just 'accidentally' released the names of graduate students, researchers, doctors and lab techs.

I am seeing that all of this hoopla is over language used. They are all in a frenzy about 'pancreas forecast.'

I wonder if they share the same outrage at emergency doctors calling motorcyclists 'spare body parts.'?

fern hill said...

Well, Anonymous, I'm sorry to have to be the one to break it to you, but fetus freaks lie. They lie about everything.

Oh. And they fire-bomb clinics and murder people.

opit said...

" they fire-bomb clinics and murder people.
" Got to show their concern for life by example.

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